[ It's the first time someone's really mentioned Jack since they got here and it's lucky this isn't a video because his expression dips into sadness for a moment before he collects himself and is able to speak as his normal self. ]

Yeah, that's it. Lucas and Lucretia said it was all theoretical and wouldn't work, and the whole thing hit a wall there.

[ There was doubt back then and there's still doubt now in his voice when he says "wouldn't work." ]

You're thinking what I'm thinking, aren't you? The shield the elf mentions was the Bulwark Shield. But they didn't end up trying it to stop the Hunger. They tried something else and the elf woman had her doubts.